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A couple of weeks ago, in between a slew of jolly nice 40th birthday parties (others', not mine) I tried to make cheese.

ChrisC gave me for Christmas a kit thingy for making mozzarella and ricotta. Ever-ambitious, I decided to go for mozzarella and bought 8 pints of silver top full-fat milk on Friday night.

By Saturday I had realised that what with the parties, and the incoming visitors, and the getting things ready, and the cooking I had to do for party B, I didn't really have time to make cheese. However, not possessing a ginormo-freezer, it was cheese or find some other use for a gallon of milk.

I got the big pan out of the cupboard. "Will it all fit in there?" Asked ChrisC. "Yes," I said.

After mature consideration I said "no", and performed the massively disruptive manoeuvre required to get the preserving pan out the back of thatcupboard and started heating the milk.

I dissolved citric acid in water. I dissolved a rather crumbly quarter-tablet of rennet in more water (and despite having bought a pill-cutter I can assure you it would be a lot easier if they just made the wretched tablets quarter-sized).

See? That's a lot of milk.

You heat up your slightly-curdling milk to ninety degrees. Despite being perfectly well aware that it was a U.S. kit that perniciously used Fahrenheit, the thermometer (included) had both scales, and I was absent-mindedly reading the wrong one. So there was a bit of panic as the rennet-adding stage turned out to have arrived when I wasn't ready.

A few stages of curd-wrangling later it all looked a bit grim... But grim in a way that seemed consistent with the instructions:


I highly recommend, at this stage, not knocking the glass thermometer onto the tiled kitchen floor. It will not end well, and all the magic red will come out. I do appreciate that cheese was invented before thermometers, but as an amateur following written instructions knowing the correct temperature was quite important.

Anyway, I improvised and the curds went into a bowl.

Curds:

And whey:


(Tuffet optional.)

Incidentally, that is a lot of whey. Even allowing for the complicated whey-bath stuff you have to do to make the blobby white goo into mozzarella. Ask me about my newly-discovered range of whey-based soups and smoothies!

Yes, I am measuring the temperature of liquid with a meat thermometer.

Anyway, the whey bath involves cool water and hot whey on the curds until they become firm and stretchable mozzarella.

Or until they don't.

Eventually I cut my losses, and strained the still-fragile curds. What lovely ricotta! I think you will recall I was making ricotta.

Nice ricotta.

I bought spinach and planned cannelloni for tea on bank holiday Monday.

Of course, on Monday we were strolling through Southall and came across a bakery. Which sold naan bread. Freshly-baked, a bag of three for a quid. So we bought some.

That cheese I made really was quite solid. Practically panneer, really. You will remember that that's how I described it.

We drank strawberry milk which the Gurdwara was handing out to passersby, then went home and had (massively inauthentic) muttar panneer for tea instead.


(You can just see the other bowl, of tarka dhal with spinach, so don't worry about that spinach I'd bought.)

The cheese was a bit too soft and melty really (the lumps you can see in the curry are sweet potato). If tasted all right, though.

All in all, a fun cheese-making experience. I'll let you know how it goes next time.

Date: 2015-06-01 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
Wow, cheese! You are so rock-and-roll :-)

Date: 2015-06-01 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Hell yeah :)

Date: 2015-06-01 10:51 pm (UTC)
shermarama: (bright light)
From: [personal profile] shermarama
Is it possible to do anything with the whey afterwards? That seems like a lot of valuable foodstuff to get rid of. (Also, did your cheese curds bring all the boys to the yard?)

Date: 2015-06-02 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Yes, I wasn't joking about the soups and smoothies! I made really nice vegetable soup with whey instead of stock as a base. Yesterday's breakfast involved strawberries and whey buzzed up in the liquidiser - less sweet than a milkshake.


I googled for uses, there are quite a few suggestions around. Sadly many of them are for adding a tablespoon of whey to something, and I've got litres of the stuff.


One slight cheesy kudo to you for Kelis.

Date: 2015-06-02 08:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shermarama
Wow, I hadn't imagined a whey soup - but I think I'm thinking of the whey powders body-builders buy, and they always come in sickly milkshake flavours. (Know any body-builders?)

Date: 2015-06-02 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

I read on line that this is "acid whey", and is different to what a body builder might want. Do not ask me how :)

Date: 2015-06-01 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
That sounds like (one of) the same kit(s) I got for the preceding Christmas. If you ever manage to get your mozzarella to become properly stretchy, for heavens' sake let me know how you did it; I had about three attempts and gave up. But the ricotta worked well, and paneer's pretty straightforward. And you're dead right about the rennet tablets.

I also have the fixings for making cheddar. The first batch tasted a hell of a lot more like Wensleydale than cheddar -- although quite nice anyway -- and batches 2 and 3 are still sitting, maturing, yeah, that's the word, in the bottom of the fridge. I'm... slightly concerned in case they are in fact sentient by now. Trying to keep the cheddar at anything approximating the "right" temperature during its maturation is essentially impossible unless you've got specialist kit, or the weather happens to be really cooperative.

Date: 2015-06-02 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Phew, glad to hear mozzarella really is difficult and I am not just an idiot. I didn't know cheese was practical at home (though possibly your comments suggest it isn't!)


I did chat at a party recently to a friend-of-a-friend who is a proper cheesemaker, so possibly I can draft her in for assistance/advice!


To be honest the cheese I ended up with is not really like  anything, but it is quite nice.

Date: 2015-06-02 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
Mozzarella really does work better with fresh - unpasteurized - milk. I've once got it to be properly stretchy, but that was in another country and besides, the buffalo is dead. (OK, it was in Italy.) I'm not sure our standard supermarket milk is the right proportion of fats and whatnot to produce it.

Date: 2015-06-02 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Yeah, not even with the Channel Islands All The Cream And Then A Bit More milk did it want to play. If I find somewhere willing to sell me a gallon of buffalo milk, I'll give it another go (-- yes, yes, sure that such places exist online, not specifying any timescale for that "other go")

Date: 2015-06-02 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com

What about camel milk, would that maybe work?

Date: 2015-06-02 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
I have even fewer local camels than I do local buffaloes ;) (Also, I suspect it might taste a bit strange made from camel milk. I've had camel milk chocolate and that's just _odd_...)

Date: 2015-06-02 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
I have a new cookbook which features camel milk ice cream, and a url for acquiring camel milk, is why it was on my mind.

Date: 2015-06-02 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Could I perhaps have the URL? Just for filing and research ;)

Date: 2015-06-03 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Ah, on further investigation, the URL turns out to not be an online shop as I'd thought, but has a list of places which sell it: http://camelmilkuk.net/

There are a couple of online sellers though:
http://desertfarms.co.uk/
http://camelsmilk.uk.com/

(I also just learnt that camel milk is treif, ie not kosher. As far as I can tell, it is halal though.)

Date: 2015-06-02 08:12 am (UTC)
shermarama: (bright light)
From: [personal profile] shermarama
I'd guess homogenisation doesn't help much either. It quite drastically rearranges the structure of fat globules in milk, and the membrane of the fat globules is where the relevant proteins are, I think. I mean, they're still there so I'm sure you can still do something with them, but I can imagine a specific traditional cheese-making method no longer working right; like using icing sugar when the recipe said granulated.

Date: 2015-06-02 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Yes, the instructions in my kit reckoned that for best results you want unpasteurized milk. It provided a list of suppliers, but they were all U.S.-based. I think in the U.K. you basically need to know a cow.

Date: 2015-06-02 10:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shermarama
Hmm, Wikipedia reckons that it is still legal to buy 'green top' (unpasteurised and unhomogenised) milk in England (not Scotland) but only directly to the customer, so you can't get it through supermarkets, but farmers' markets and delivery are possible. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_milk#United_Kingdom)

Date: 2015-06-02 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Yeah, that is the theory. I've never seen it for sale at a market, though :( The brother of a friend of mine is a dairy farmer (he used to be a green top supplier when that was a thing), but he's inconveniently far away.

Date: 2015-06-03 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Ely farmer's market has it, I'm told. Which is perhaps less helpful than it could be.

Date: 2015-06-02 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

Unrelatedly... I've had a few emails in the last week saying "bopeepsheep wants to connect with you" (some literally like that, some from your proper name). They don't give any kind of indication what network/platform the offered connection is on, or what clicking on "accept" means.


Do you know anything about these?


I've had them before and assumed them spam, but this is the first time they've arrived attached to a name I actually recognise as a real person.

Date: 2015-06-02 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
Some spam thing that a FOAF seems to have set on me accidentally; I don't use my LJ email so the fact it seems to be from [email protected] is puzzling to me (as in, I don't know how *I* triggered it if I did!). I've filtered it to spam.

Date: 2015-06-02 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

So long as you're not affronted that I'm ignoring your requests :)

Date: 2015-06-02 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
I am very impressed and eagerly await the mozzarella!

Date: 2015-06-02 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

In view of other comments posted here about how mozzarella never works properly (unless you make it with unpasteurized buffalo milk, in Italy, and talk to it in Italian)... don't hold your breath!

Date: 2015-06-02 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
In that case, I await further paneer!

Date: 2015-06-02 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lathany.livejournal.com
I think [livejournal.com profile] chrestomancy and TheHattedOne went on a cheese-making course (prior to Face Like Glass). That seemed to work quite well for them. Although I think that there was a certain amount of temperature control afterwards.

Date: 2015-06-02 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com

To be honest, I think the key factor there may be having an expert on hand to say "Yes, that's exactly right" or "No, give it a few more minutes" :)

Date: 2015-06-02 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com

This is all very exciting, thankyou.

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