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I need a little shopping advice.

I often wake up, in the night, with dreadful cramp in my legs. This is not pleasant. Some time ago, someone recommended drinking one of those modern-fangled isotonic-flavoured electrolye-ridden buzzword-compliant sports drinks before going to bed.

I bought a drum of lemon-flavoured powder from (I think) Boots and... hey presto! Miracles were worked, and my legs did not tie themselves into excruciating knots in the night.

Enter a second friend, who assured me that the water was the important part and that I was merely paying for the caché of sports drinks unnecessarily. So, this summer (cramp seems to be a summer problem, for me) I stuck to drinking water before bed. Friend2 was wrong. It does not have the same effect.

So, off to Boots I went. And then to Superdrug, Holland & Barrett, Tesco... Nope. No one sells the damn stuff any more. According to Boots' website, they do still sell drums of mixable powder but they now only do orange flavour. Also, I have yet to catch a branch which actually stocks the damn stuff (and the website is out of stock, too).

Can anyone recommend a powdered sports drink which is (a) cheap and (b) available in something non-orange? I only require the re-hydration parts, not the energy parts, since I'll be drinking it before bed. For preference I'd like something available in high street shops, since I don't think my ego will permit me to become the sort of person who orders highly specialised sports beverages off t'internet.

Either that, or I'll just have to settle for squash made up with homebrew ORS. Which might work, but would probably taste nasty.

Date: 2011-08-01 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motodraconis.livejournal.com
Isn't it a lack of salt causing the problem? You sweat more in summer, hence the salt lack and the cramping in summer only.

When I went to India, my co-worker had had dreadful cramps on his previous visit - his leg ended up going black! The doctor told him to take 2 sachets of rehydration salts daily. This to me seemed excessive, but coworker was particularly sensitive to salt loss it seems. Rehydration satchets - and the powders you are searching for, are just sugar, flavoring and salt, I have a keyring measurer to mix my own in the (not yet happened) event I got a runny belly.

Myself, I just added salt to my daily juice, and was fine in the 45 degree heat of India.

Maybe try a salted juice before bedtime? Increase or decrease the salt as required.

Date: 2011-08-01 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
Isn't it a lack of salt causing the problem?

I was just about to say this. Most commercial rehydration powders only contain salt and sugar anyway (well OK, and lots of superfluous things to hide their secret formula).
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Date: 2011-08-01 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
They do sound cool, though! Maybe there's scope for a scheme where they get sold to people like us for a profit which then goes to buying more of them for people who actually need them?

Date: 2011-08-01 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
... and hide the nasty taste of salt, which is why I didn't want to go down what I called the "homebrew ORS" (ie mix water, salt and sugar in the WHO-sponsored quantities) route :)

Date: 2011-08-01 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
and hide the nasty taste of salt

Ah, you've been luckier than me then, I've never had one that didn't taste of salt. :-(

Date: 2011-08-01 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com
Dioralyte is my preferred ORS for not tasting too salty -- I like the blackcurrant one, but there is also a lemon one which might do the trick.

Date: 2011-08-01 01:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] uitlander
Exactly this.

Date: 2011-08-01 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
The trouble with salted juice is... it tastes salty. To me, anyway, and I really don't like that. The advantage of the posh rehydration stuff is that the presumably contain salt-like things, but don't taste like sodium chloride.

What I referred to as homebrew ORS is the WHO recipe:

6 tsp sugar
1/2 tsp salt
1 litre water

... but I'd expect to be able to taste 1/2 tsp salt in that much water.

Date: 2011-08-01 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motodraconis.livejournal.com
Perhaps try salted lemon juice or lemonade? The salt + lemon works really well.

That homebrew recipe is enormous! I'd feel pretty sick drinking all of that. The keyfob measure that I have is about 200ml water (about one glass) 1 quarter teaspoon of salt and 2 teaspoons of sugar.

Alternatively, a quarter spoon of salt to a glass of non-diet lemonade.

Date: 2011-08-01 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Yes, that's just the quantity I happen to know the recipe for - I don't think I'd expect to take on drinking a litre of the stuff at once!

Date: 2011-08-01 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I shall regard your salty lemon claims with suspicion, but will try it out ;)

Date: 2011-08-01 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phlebas.livejournal.com
I suppose it might work - margaritas with salt on the rim are good.

Date: 2011-08-01 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabbit1080.livejournal.com
There's this useful bunch of elements from the perodic table that muscles like - sodium (from table salt), potassium (eg from bananas), magnesium & calcium (the last 2 are often in the same supplement tablet). You don't necessarily need sports drink.

Here's a periodic table for reference. http://www.ptable.com/Images/periodic%20table.png

(One of the magnesium compounds I've tried also contains Taurine, which is just a random stimulant. I blame marketing so I don't use that one.)

Date: 2011-08-01 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Yes, I could buy random compounds and calculate everything myself... of I could just buy commercial salts and do it the easy way! Hence asking for recommendations :)

Date: 2011-08-01 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabbit1080.livejournal.com
Er, "calculate"? I'm not sure what you mean? I just have calcium-and-magnesium tablets sometimes when the weather's been toasty &/or I've been exercising a lot. Not sure about this precision malarky. I do follow the instructions and keep to below the maximum dose, though.

Sometimes I eat bananas for potassium - they also have nice complex carbs which are nice for excercising (although actually I hate bananas so I had to train myself to tolerate them; they go well with pancakes).

Date: 2011-08-01 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
I love bananas and happily eat them, but I'm not sure I want to nosh down on a couple before bed! Cramp in my case doesn't seem to be linked to exercise, and is not prevented by having eaten bananas during the day. I know that the old Boots sports drink used to work, so I'd prefer to stick with something like that than try taking mineral supplements and hoping it helps.

Date: 2011-08-01 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sushidog.livejournal.com
My mum was told to drink tonic water to prevent cramps; no idea if it really works but she swears by it!

Date: 2011-08-01 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phlebas.livejournal.com
That was going to be my suggestion too - I took to drinking it before bed each night a while ago when I had trouble with leg cramps and it seemed to help a lot. It's probably not very cheap though (unless you can get a soda-stream version, maybe).

Date: 2011-08-01 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Hmm... I'm not sure I could drink a pint of tonic water! I do like the taste, but it's really sweet after a while...

On the plus side, I guess it might also prevent malaria :)

Date: 2011-08-01 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sushidog.livejournal.com
You could add some lemon or lime juice to sharpen it up, and some gin to make it worthwhile?

Date: 2011-08-01 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Now you're talking :)

Date: 2011-08-01 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phlebas.livejournal.com
How much gin to a pint of tonic?

Date: 2011-08-01 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Oh, no more than half a gill, I shouldn't think.

Mind you, I do like my G&T's rather heavy on the T. Visitors to my house are usually invited to make their own, because I am apparently incapable of making them insufficiently weedy for normal people.

Date: 2011-08-01 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
I loved that Boots lemon rehydration stuff (it was great for hangovers too) but they don't make it any more. I suspect the cramps are probably a combination of dehydration and a deficiency of some mineral salt or other, which is why the isotonic drinks work when water doesn't.

Holland and Barrett sell something called Iso-Energy which seems similar:
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=550&MCatID=5&prodid=631&cid=513&sid=0

Date: 2011-08-01 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
That looks worth investigating - the little H&B I tried didn't have it, but I'll try a larger branch. If I can manage to go in without getting homoepathic-alternative-nutrition crazy on me :)

Date: 2011-08-01 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-jack.livejournal.com
I would be inclined to think the "it's salt you need" camp are correct. Anyway, when I google for "electrolyte powder" it shows me lots of results in various flavours from a variety of suppliers. It looks like one of these should meet your needs?

Date: 2011-08-01 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Indeed they would - I also googled, but was struggling with the "available from high street stores" part.

Also quite a few of those turn out, on closer inspection, to be intended for horses :)

Date: 2011-08-01 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-jack.livejournal.com
When we lived out in Nigeria, my mum always put stuff called, IIRC, Horse Veterinary Wound Powder on us when we cut ourselves...

Date: 2011-08-01 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
And did your hooves grow back lovely and strong?

Date: 2011-08-01 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waistcoatmark.livejournal.com
I'd have thought any diarhea-treating stuff would do (the rehydration stuff, like diaralite (sp?), not the contipation-in-a-sachet)? Or is that what Boots ahve stopped selling?

Date: 2011-08-01 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sea-of-flame.livejournal.com
Is it worth considering something dunked in soy sauce, or with a marmite element, as a supper snack, with a drink of water?

Salty drinks are nasty, but salty snacks are yum - and tend to naturally encourage drinking of plenty of water, which will help with any dehydration causes of the cramps.

Date: 2011-08-01 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alien8.livejournal.com
mostly trained athlete notes.

nuun.

high 5 zero.

there you go.

//a
racing on Aug 21st in Germany, powered by www.mybikefood.com

Date: 2011-08-02 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Is it the sodium or the chloride in the salt that one needs? If the former and you're averse to over-salty tastes, maybe sodium bicarbonate would work instead? (you'd need a larger mass of it to get the same amount of sodium, though)

Date: 2011-08-02 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
The sodium, I believe. Bi-carb isn't honestly much more appealing, really.

In fact, I still think that the nicely-fruit-flavoured commerical pre-mixed salts are the way to go :)
Edited Date: 2011-08-02 01:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-08-02 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
but bicarb can make things all nice and fizzy!

Date: 2011-08-02 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venta.livejournal.com
Bi-carb can make things all fizzy :)
Edited Date: 2011-08-02 02:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-08-03 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
All I can contribute to this is that it only really happens to me if I've been both drinking and exercising. Not sure what that would deplete, but that's probably what you need to replace.

Date: 2011-08-03 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
A bit late, and not answering your question (alas, I know nothing of what you seek), but it's worth noting that ORS includes potassium. Less important in cramps - from memory that's more likely sodium than potassium - but for the runs (even if short of cholera-scale) or a hangover, it's an important component.

If it is just the sodium you need, as many have pointed out, there's plenty of ways to get that other than sports drinks. Cheese is often pretty salty and mythically gives you fun dreams (fsvo fun) if eaten just before bed. Or a nightly tequila shot or two perhaps?

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